{"id":1506,"date":"2014-12-10T12:57:00","date_gmt":"2014-12-10T10:57:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mazion.org\/?p=1506"},"modified":"2026-09-29T17:40:28","modified_gmt":"2026-09-29T14:40:28","slug":"magarul-lui-buridan-republicare","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mazion.org\/en\/2014\/12\/magarul-lui-buridan-republicare.html","title":{"rendered":"Magarul lui Buridan ( republicare)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>S-ar presupune ca stiti fabula Magarului lui Buridan ( asa ca cititi-o macar acum ) :<\/p>\n<p><i>A fost odata un magar foarte flamand care avea in fata , la distante<br \/>\negale de el, doua gramezi de fan identice ca marime si prospetime.<br \/>\nMagarul nostru era tare nehotarat din care sa manince si nu se putea<br \/>\nhotara cu care sa inceapa sau pe care sa o aleaga. In cele din urma<br \/>\nmagarul nostru a murit de foame nereusind sa ia o decizie.&nbsp;<\/i><br \/>\nIn alte versiuni magarul se afla la egala distanta de fan si apa<br \/>\nfiind si infometat si insetat. Moare atat de foame cat si de sete.<br \/>\nVersiuni, versiuni.Eu o prefer pe cea de-a doua. <\/p>\n<p><b>Jean Buridan<\/b>\/<i>Johannes Buridanus<\/i>) (cca. 1300 \u2013 1358) a fost<br \/>\n un filozof francez in ale carui scrieri ins<b>a nu gasim aceasta fabula<\/b>.<br \/>\nIn principal deoarece numele lui s-a lipit de o fabula in care filozofia<br \/>\n lui ( determinismul moral ) este luata in ras. Un fel de banc Radio<br \/>\nErevan. Si asa un filozof minor intra in nemurire. <\/p>\n<p>Dar si aici am o problema legata de vechimea aceste fabule caci, Aristotel ( Despre Cer &#8211; lucrare cosmologica) spune :<b><br \/>\n &#8222;&#8230;un om, la fel de infometat cat si de insetat, si plasat intre<br \/>\nmancare si apa, trebuie sa ramina nemiscat si sa moara de foame si de<br \/>\nsete&#8221;<\/b> luand in deradere ideea sofistilor potrivit careia Pamantul<br \/>\neste stationar din cauza ca este circular si toate fortele trebuie sa<br \/>\nfie egale in toate directiile.<\/p>\n<p>Ideea acestui paradox intre forte egale a fost insa &#8222;descoperita&#8221; de Abu<br \/>\n Hamid al-Ghazali ( cca 1100 &#8211; Incoerenta filozofilor) unde spune : <br \/>\n<b>Sa presupunem ca omul are in fata lui doua intalniri si el are o<br \/>\ndorinta puternica de ale avea pe ambele dar nu le poate satisface<br \/>\nsimultan. Cu siguranta va merge la una din ele multumita unei calitati<br \/>\nintrinseci care il ajuta sa aleaga intre doua lucruri identice<\/b>. <br \/>\nOK..or fi ai nostrii &#8222;incoerenti&#8221; dar tu esti un mic furacios . Iar argumentarea &#8222;cu siguranta&#8221; + calitate intrinseca , nejustificata sau explicata logic este&#8230;literatura nu filosofie. Ma rog&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>Imediat insa contrazis de filozoful maur Averroes ( 1126-1198) care crede exact invers. Adica gen magarului lui Buridan. <\/p>\n<p>Buridan\/al-Ghazali\/Averroes ? Hmm&#8230; &#8222;maretia&#8221; filozofiei arabe in<br \/>\nperioada medievala are un mic secret: plagiatul. Niste ..magari &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>In continuarea discutiei&#8230; intra Baruch Spinoza ( big like) :<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"toccolours\" style=\"display: table; float: none; padding: 10px 15px 10px 15px;\"><p>\n[I]t may be objected, if man does not act from free will, what will<br \/>\nhappen if the incentives to action are equally balanced, as in the case<br \/>\nof Buridan&#8217;s ass? [In reply,] I am quite ready to admit, that a man<br \/>\nplaced in the equilibrium described (namely, as perceiving nothing but<br \/>\nhunger and thirst, a certain food and a certain drink, each equally<br \/>\ndistant from him) would die of hunger and thirst. If I am asked, whether<br \/>\n such a one should not rather be considered an ass than a man; I answer,<br \/>\n that I do not know, neither do I know how a man should be considered,<br \/>\nwho hangs himself, or how we should consider children, fools, madmen,<br \/>\n&amp;c.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: right;\">\n\u2014 <cite>Baruch Spinoza, <i>Ethics, Book 2, Scholium, 1677<\/i><\/cite><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\">\n<a href=\"https:\/\/mazion.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/blog\/donkey.jpg\" imageanchor=\"1\" style=\"margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"https:\/\/mazion.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/blog\/donkey.jpg\" height=\"307\" width=\"400\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>S-ar presupune ca stiti fabula Magarului lui Buridan ( asa ca cititi-o macar acum ) : A fost odata un magar foarte flamand care avea in fata , la distante egale de el, doua gramezi de fan identice ca marime si prospetime. 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